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Poster: guyzilla Date: Sep 20, 2009 6:51pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

If this helps you breathe a little easier, as far as I know, the only people besides you that have access to your metadata files are IA staff members.

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Poster: jonc Date: Sep 20, 2009 7:05pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

That's not true, if you browse the directories, you can access the files from there. For example,

http://ia311234.us.archive.org/2/items/natural_born_gambler/natural_born_gambler_meta.xml

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 23, 2009 2:55pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

That was common place before. I honestly did not know they took them away. You used to be able to see reviewers email on items too... had a major problem with that and someone using an old dead email address that unfortunately had a name in it that certain violent extremists who post snuff videos got a hold of... you can imagine the concern.

Not to mention a mod here who was on a vandetta and decided to publish personal names and other information. I will say no more on the subject but it happened.

Ironically they boasted on here about how they refused to give the ip's and emails (which were probably bogus anyway) of jihadi's posting snuff films and other stuff... go figure!

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 26, 2009 1:46am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

You mean,Noise Collector,they were criminals who sent snuff movies on archive ?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 29, 2009 12:59pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

Well some folks on here call them freedom fighters, but I call people who murder journalists in front of video cameras in the name of god criminals... so yes. There were plenty of snuff films uploaded to the archive showing everything from children kicking around a severed limb while chanting "god is great" to a man bound and blindfolded out in the desert having his throat cut and the same chanting occurs while he chokes to death on his own blood.

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 29, 2009 11:52pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

You are truly a good decent man,Noise Collector !They are indeed some disgusting people on this planet who are no better than hellish beasts but brag about it as freedom ,religion,or plain normality ,and usually find supporters to cheer them too,very revealing as to the wide range of best and worse tobe reveled concerning humanity !To endure seeing such filthy movies so as to discover what such films are about ,take great courage too !If you hadn't done it such horrors would have remained on archive as pastimes for perverts .

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Poster: FP Date: Sep 30, 2009 6:44am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

I always thought the jihadist movies should be segregated, for reasons other than ideology or offensiveness. Practically, they've made the OPEN SOURCE MOVIES section almost useless to browse for fun. Nearly every upload in that section has, for years, featured a turbaned, bearded man giving a sermon or speech, or the aforementioned "snuff" videos.

OPEN SOURCE used to be a place to catch random indy movie trailers, video experiments, oddball home movies, all kinds of fun little surprises that weren't on YouTube. Now those are buried amidst the less fun, war-spawned middle eastern content.

I hate censorship of any kind, so I think these movies should simply be kept in a section apart, due to their smothering number and their inflammatory, and in these repressive times in the USA, potentially illegal content.
Historians might find these enthusiastic videos of interest some day, but they sure are controversial. Only the archive's relative obscurity has prevented more unpleasant attention to this batch of uploads. A few years ago I found a video in OPEN SOURCE that featured the onscreen deaths of several US soldiers in Iraq, with funny cartoon "boing" sound effects and wacky music. The killings were replayed in slow motion, with highlighted areas to show flying body parts. There was a laugh track. Titles and voiceovers were in some kind of curlicue language. That's some weird shit that could cause complications for the archive. It shouldn't have a "chilling effect" that locks out content, but potential difficulty caused by the mere presence of the aforementioned soldier death videos is something that can't be safely ignored. Can you imagine what might happen if Bill O'Reilly or some other TV goon would seize upon this situation, become "outraged", and direct the public's attention to certain crazy war videos in OPEN SOURCE? One weeping war widow reacting, on camera, to a shot of her husband's head being blown off while cartoon music plays could change things in a bad way for the wonderful resource of archive.org.

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 30, 2009 8:20am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

Hi, FP ! Frankly I am not that surprised to find out creepos would target archive to use for hate propaganda !

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Sep 20, 2009 11:34pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

I just checked a couple of random files and YES, you CAN find the uploaders e-mail address! Not that I'm too fanatical about maintaining a "secret identity" or anything. I also mistakenly thought you were referring to the editing process with the "edit item" button (which only shows up on the details page of your own uploads). I don't know if I should be alarmed about this or not. I really believed that no one here could get your e-mail address unless you gave it out, but I guess I was wrong.

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Poster: finnobrit Date: Sep 21, 2009 3:33am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

I've just fired off an email to Archive about this issue. Interestingly when you look up their address they write it as "info at archive dot org"... why are they protecting their own address but not those of their uploaders?

Apart from the risk of spammers, archive.org should be warning people very clearly that their address is visible to everyone from all their uploads. This is not only politeness, but a legal requirement in many countries.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Sep 21, 2009 7:02am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

Actually, they don't protect their mailto address. Check out their Terms of Use. There's a link at the bottom of the page.

I've contacted IA about this. Hope everyone here does that.

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Sep 21, 2009 2:53pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

I intend to do the same, but with the way things have been here, I don't expect much in the way of action. Getting staff to respond to ANYTHING is like getting Nixon to talk about the tapes. I like the Archive, but staff had better respond to this issue in a timely manner, or I may have to do something drastic. The whole world does not have the right to my personal information unless I decide to give it out, and the rest of you folks that upload have the same right to privacy. I would advise staff not to blow this off like they've been blowing everything else off. They should pay heed to our concern on this.

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Poster: Vance Capley Date: Sep 21, 2009 5:28pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

Attention:
Please do not post our private e-mail addresses.

Thank you

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Poster: Meatpies Date: Sep 21, 2009 5:49pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

No site support, email addresses just out there for anyone to grab and use for spam, absolutely no staff member anywhere to answer any questions, no one to even talk to about helping out on a volunteer basis... folks, do you get the feeling that if we were to be stuck in an IA buiding and looked outside, we'd see that an entire nuclear war had happened, and no one bothered to tell us? That's what this feels like.

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Sep 21, 2009 6:11pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

I just sent an e-mail to them, and though I took great care to watch my &%@$ing language, I pulled no punches airing my disgust at their incompetence. Now, though I've suffered no real inconvenience from this situation (yet), I'm sure I'm going to hear from someone (if I hear from anyone at all) about how unfair I'm being with my harsh criticism of the way things are being handled here. Too bad. This situation with the e-mail addreses is intolerable and inexcusable, and who knows how long it has been going on. Diana Hamilton is supposed to be the "administrator" for IA (correct me if I'm wrong) but I'm beginning to wonder if even she is still here with IA. If she is, then let's see some administrating being done. People were getting annoyed and angry enough with the files not being moved, now we have this problem. I don't care if staff wants to get angry with me over the remarks I've made at this point. The people I care about are folks like sato-kaiba-is-stupid, k-otic, meatpies, skybandit, scott saunders, and so on. These are the people who are really doing the work to make this site a great place to visit. It's just too bad staff won't hold up their end, because the work of these good people, the uploaders, is going to waste, and I think it's a shame that their efforts are being treated with such disregard. So, to you uploaders, all of you, if the staff dosen't give a damn about your efforts, I DO!

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Poster: finnobrit Date: Sep 22, 2009 12:58am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

It's more than just us being annoyed about the e-mail thing, revealing users' addresses like that without consent or warning is probably illegal, and clearly not something they'd want users to know about.

If they don't respond to us we might post about this e-mail issue on every archive.org forum, and if that doesn't work we could report archive.org to a privacy pressure group or even law enforcement agency.


"No site support, email addresses just out there for anyone to grab and use for spam, absolutely no staff member anywhere to answer any questions, no one to even talk to about helping out on a volunteer basis..."

If things are that bad, it makes me wonder how long archive.org will continue to exist. If they don't have the resources to answer e-mails or even induct volunteers to help out, do they really have the resources to indefinitely host an ever-growing mountain of ever-larger video and other files?

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Sep 22, 2009 2:40am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

I've already considered many of the points you've brought up. The idea of putting on pressure by making as much noise in the forums is a good one except for the fact that our concerns are evidently being ignored by staff, but at the very least by us posting messages we would make other patrons aware of this problem, which is also important. As for what we can do to protect our privacy, the only option I could think of is to not only refrain from uploading new material, but to take the time of looking up everything we've already uploaded and take it down. I don't know how effective this would be because if there are no staff members to move the items, then there are no staff to remove the details pages. I know as an uploader I can delete certain files when I edit one of my pages, but I don't know if I can delete the file with my e-mail address. I think only staff can take down the details page. Another point, if IA were to continue to ignore our concerns on this issue and we were to take the matter up with an outside agency by filing complaints against them, one of two things would happen, both extreme. One, the problem would be taken care of and we could continue to use this site the way we have been without worrying about giving up our privacy. The other, and most likely, result would be that IA would shut down, and as angry as I am right now, I still don't want that to happen as I still feel that IA is worth saving. Lastly, the last point you brought up, about IA shutting down, there's a possibility that it may already be in the process of doing so, but all I can do is guess since my attempts to get answers to what's going on have been futile. I still hope that things will straighten out. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

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Poster: Dwight Frye Date: Sep 22, 2009 5:45am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

Am beginning to wonder if there even is a staff.Have already put a hold on all uploads,until they get things straightened out.One thing we could do,remove all items that we have posted here and close our accounts.

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Sep 22, 2009 10:47pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

You may have something there. Pissed off as I am right now, I would like nothing better than to think there is another reason for what's happening here than just the staff being a bunch of lazy, irresponsible jerks. If they were to offer a reasonable explanation for why things are the way they are, then I would have no choice but to take back the critcisms I've made. Until then, we're left to figure things out on our own.

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Poster: elmagno Date: Sep 21, 2009 3:36am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Critical.

*uploader*youremailaddresshere/*uploader*

Who would like a huge list of addresses of active film junkies? I can think of a lot of commercial interests, can't you?

Harvesting these from IA, as it stands now, is a piece of cake. Perhaps this thread should be taken down until an internal sweep of the above xml lines (and perhaps others) can be performed.

This post was modified by elmagno on 2009-09-21 10:36:59

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Poster: finnobrit Date: Sep 21, 2009 3:41am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Critical.

If anyone from archive.org is reading this, please respond to this thread and people's e-mails.

If you don't respond we'll have to start warning users ourselves about this flaw, they deserve to know whether their addresses are being given out or not.

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Poster: elmagno Date: Sep 21, 2009 4:00am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Critical.

I couldn't find a way to report this via this site. I took (the very small, I hope) liberty of harvesting the email address of someone who seems to be associated with IA. I,of course, fully identified myself and provided my own email address to them. It's so easy to do and there are thousands of addresses exposed.

I hope I am mistaken, but this seems a huge security issue that needs to be examined right this minute.

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Poster: finnobrit Date: Sep 21, 2009 4:19am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Critical.

That's an excellent idea, I might do that as well.